Addiction, Pain and the War on Doctors – HOME
New Homepage for both the Addiction, Pain and Public Health website, and the War on Doctors/Pain Crisis blog – Alex DeLuca; 2009-08-07; revised: 2009-08-08.
Permalink: http://doctordeluca.com/wordpress/
See also:
Legacy Homepage – old doctordeluca.com/index.html, circa 2007
The Legacy Library page – Resources/References/Links pages
WELCOME to the NEW, COMBINED, HOME PAGE for BOTH:
The Addiction, Pain and Public Health website aka doctordeluca.com,
and,
the War on Doctors/Pain Crisis blog. Both of those old “homepages” are now this Homepage.
Clicking the “Home” tab at the top of every page brings you here. Clicking the “Blog” tab takes you to the War on Doctors/Pain Crisis blog part of the site. Bookmark whichever you prefer to start from in your browser.
This new, common, “HOME” page will become the top level index, or Table of Contents, for the overall Addiction, Pain and Public Health domain. I will build from that a series of browse-able index pages that will give people direct access to a lot of good primary documents that you just wouldn’t otherwise know were here. This will take time – expect this page to change and develop.
Meanwhile, use the search box in the upper right corner of every page – this is the best way to find what you are looking for on the doctordeluca domain.
Or browse the links on The Legacy Library page. Thank you for your patience, in advance. Sincerely, ..alex…
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Dr.Deluca, thank you SO much from all of us suffering so horribly as a result of the DEA’s misguided attempts at whatever it is they’re trying to achieve – and not. Thank you for being a voice in the wilderness and we really need MORE experts like you speaking out in the media ( Oprah, where ARE you?! ). I have terrible, chronic pain due to injuries of my spine and assigned, literally, to a PM doctor who seems to enjoy his power in making me suffer. He’s one of many doctors in this type of work who sell their Hippocratic Oath to the highest bidders ( insurers who wish to minimize the injuries and undermine the credibility of pain patients ). Just as you said, no sooner does the pain patient finally find the freedom just to do normal things without continual and escalating pain, than the PM doc rips it away!! “You don’t need this anymore because you’re acting better.” The illogic is ridiculous and it’s like entering some absurd freak show. The patient becomes the pinball in a pinball machine with the insurers and doctors controlling the flippers. I hope to all that’s decent in the universe, the pride in being a medical scientist will return to these individuals and they will organize and collectively begin speaking out against and resisting the immense pressures and tactics aimed at them as doctors by the DEA and any other agency that doesn’t give a flip about the real and devestating impacts on chronic pain patients due to their policies and procedures. I have far more respect for you as a medical scientist than I do the voodoo PM doctor I have to see right now. He’s beyond useless.
sarah
My GP was taken away in hand cuffs today by the DEA and Feds from his office. He is known for being pretty easy to get pain meds from but over the past year has been weeding out many patiants spontaneous with drug screens and pill counts. My appointment is thursday, what will happen if he is charged? The DEA's people told the patients that were there to goto the ER but I know damn well the ER doc is not going to write me a script for my 30 MG oxycodone. What generally happens in a situation like this? i mean there's gonna be hundreds of people in a lot of pain. From injuries and w/d. any suggestions or experience? i just came accross this website so this is my first post, so forgive me if this isn't the appropriate forum :)
sarah
My GP was taken away in hand cuffs today by the DEA and Feds from his office. He is known for being pretty easy to get pain meds from but over the past year has been weeding out many patiants spontaneous with drug screens and pill counts. My appointment is thursday, what will happen if he is charged? The DEA's people told the patients that were there to goto the ER but I know damn well the ER doc is not going to write me a script for my 30 MG oxycodone. What generally happens in a situation like this? i mean there's gonna be hundreds of people in a lot of pain. From injuries and w/d. any suggestions or experience? i just came accross this website so this is my first post, so forgive me if this isn't the appropriate forum :)
bethann
help! My pain clinic has gone suboxone crazy, despite the fact that I have 3 contraindications to even think about taking this incredibly expensive, highly regulated, opiate. What do these docs get-points? I got most of my records, and could not believe how inaccurate-to the point of outright lying the 'progress notes' were. They blamed the DEA. The only function of the DEA is to make sure regs are complied with regarding drug diversion. It seems that every doctor/clinic in town has forgotten their patients needs,& the Hippocratic oath due to being strong-armed by a federal agency overstepping their bounds. All our docs are scared of being shut down, losing their practice/licenses-they are afraid to prescribe. I guess it's every Doc for themselves, So much for me being able to attend my children's Holiday plays and speech/debate meets. Thank you so much DEA.
Unfortunately, sarah, that is what usually happens. Hundreds if not thousands of patients are left to scramble for fewer remaining docs willing to prescribe for pain, docs who are increasingly spooked every time another doc is hauled away to Court and jail.
The patients are left in a desperate lurch. Again, sadly common. See: War on Pain Sufferers Special Collections – which reviews a dozen or so War on Doctors cases.
Inevitably it is the patients who suffer the most.
I strongly suggest you contact the Pain Relief Network, and join their Chronic Pain Patients Forum for support and practical advice from an experienced membership: http://painreliefnetwork.org/forums/
..alex… Alex DeLuca, M.D., MPH
Hi bethann – yes, you are experiencing "collateral damage" from our nation's obsession with "drug abuse," as manifested in DEA's (a federal law enforcement agency under DOJ) defacto regulation of pain medicine in Åmerica. Suboxone and Subutex are basically OLD drugs – buprenorphine has been around for decades as an analgesic – which have be re-marketed as "anti-addiction" medications, and indeed a whole federal bureaucracy, controlled by DEA, has evolved to provide outpatient buprenorphine therapy as a treatment for addiction to heroin or other illegally consumed opioids.
All of which has NOTHING to do with pain patients. The reason you are experiencing this panicky push to get pain patients on buprenorphine is because it also happens to be an excellent analgesic, and is in fact the #1 medication for chronic pain in Europe where it is available as a transdermal patch. [See: High Dose Transdermal Buprenorphine for Pain by Alex DeLuca, 2008-09-22.]
Sooo, your doc's, who live in fear of DEA as you have noted, put one and one together and end up with a very expensive "two."
Since buprenorphine is supposedly 'less abusable' than morphine or oxycodone, and since it is also a pretty good analgesic, therefore let's look like we are really concerned about drug abuse and make all pain patients take the 'less abusable' medication.
Except Suboxone and Subutex are hundreds of times more expensive than generic morphine or oxycodone, while not in general being more effective pain-killers.
Expect A LOT more of this sort of capitalistic capitalizing of America's propaganda-fueled anxieties about "addiction." Several pharma companies are developing complex (EXPENSIVE) opioid meds that will make it more difficult for abusers to enjoy/die from, but which will not help pain patients any more than generic opioids.
Pain patients, like yourself, will increasing be forced to buy these very expensive medications in the name of the drug war; and if you complain, that'll just mean you are probably a "drug seeker" "addict."
Some links:
New Drugs Promise Treatment For Addicts, Profits for Firms by Peter Landers, Wall Street Journal (Personal Journal); February 20, 2003.
DEA Regulates Medicine archives – House of Representatives Hearings, 20017-07-12.
Thank you for your comment, bethann. And also to everyone else who shares their experience on these pages. And Scott, also, for your kind words.
..alex…
Alex DeLuca, M.D., MPH
(sounds like a laxative-srry)-Dear Alex-well, had to 'cold turkey rite b4 Xmas-thanx docs &DEA (and the fact that I have-insurance!) Have been in bed /incapacitated since-w/d meds helped, but I AM IN PAIN-i SHOULD KNOW last15+ years! Thnx 4 your website, know we r not alone. Already complained to FDA, DEA, Docs.,etc…This MT cold doesn't help either. New pain Doc. same old 'antidepressant, cortisone shots-wouldn't mind if they weren't so $$$ and didn't work! If I had the energy, Id' go to WA /DC and protest! Does anyone have the strength to do so? Hope many more sites like this 'crop up'. Oh-pharmaceutical owners/lobbyists-need to send their kids to college too. Hmmmmmm…
My PM Dr. decided NOT to take ANY insurance after Dec. 31, 2009……everyone HAS to pay $75 CASH….or you don't get in!!!! I pay $300 a mo for Medicare & AARP Supplement/RX….what's wrong w/this picture????
Doctors, all over the country, have proven that going "cash only" allows them to see more patients and do it at a cheaper cost. People who have insurance can go ahead and file it, but it becomes their responsibility. They also are the one that find out how much they are "allowed" for those visit. One might get back $45 o n a $75 charge. The doctor's office does not need as many personnel (avg 5-7 /doctor) to take the time to file all of the insurance, or deal with pre-approval or denial calls, and such. Most practices give you a "super-bill" that can be used to file the insurance.
If you find a way to come up with the $75, you can, still, be seen. That is still a better situation than most chronic pain patients get. They are thrown out on the street to fend for themselves with NO CARE! I am destitute, now, as well. My chronic pain is not too bad, so I can get away with not seeing a doctor for it.. But, I do understand you plight. I have been in the middle of it!
Sincerely, Michael G Langley, MD
I was taken out of medical practice while writing " LEGAL" prescriptions. The "regulations" don't mean a thing! It all depends on how aggressive the state is at getting rid of you. Sad to say, politics has a lot to do with what kind of care, a chronic pain patient, can get in this country. Most doctors will not give up their career to properly take care of chronic pain patients. They have families to care for, too. My wife took off with my two kids after that. Then got them adopted out! Long story! Now that they are grown, my kids contacted me again. HURRAY!!!
Dr DeLuca,
I am just getting a blank page on the drug law blog bookmark in the right column. I really enjoyed reading it, before. But now, all get is a blank page when I go there. Could I get another link for that?
Hi Michael!
Drug Law Blog seems to be down… I am not sure if that is a permanent or temporary condition. I've done just a very little bit of searching, and came up with nothing worthwhile.
Alex Coolman (webmaster of Drug Law Blog) – what's up? Has your site moved? Are archives available?
..alex…
I wonder, how soon we all will get it! More then ten years ago the Government started this total war of pain treatment culture annihilation. An official announsment was to declare the past decade to be " The decade of pain control" Couple of month ago Steven Passic, MD made a very sober conclusion, that the last ten years became the "years of pain doctors control, rather then pain control". Read the recent Ronald Libby's monograph "Criminalization of medicine". DEA officials see absolutely no difference between the real drug dealers. To get the whole picture of what is going on, I adress everyone who is really interested to get to the bottom of this crisis and see the whole picture, to the recent most objective, most informative and, unfortunately, most depressing book of Harvey Silverglade "Three felonies a day" . Read it – you will have less questions left but, likely, much more of emotional pain gained!
i was put on suboxene with two other pain killers and am only suppose to take a small piece of it every day. It suppose to stop addtiction and and with drawals if I should ever run out of other meds. So is that true or is it for the dea two
It seems to be a catch 22. If you are in severe chronic pain and go see aPain management doctor who has complelted a a full eduation fellowshipin pain. I believe they know what they are doing to relieve the pain for an individual patient with Ct and MRI scans.The DEA is basicaly sending us pain patients to the dogs or the streets. That is not helping us but hurting us even more. Accordingt to http://www.ninr.nih.gov/NR/rdonlyres; Simply stated Mophine like other opiate Meds like Hydrocodoe and oxycone provides a safe and effective pain treatment. Infact, opiates almost all pain can be relived. So, o one should sufer because they or the doctor
Hi Doctor Alex, I was just wondering if you had an update on how things are going in KS? How is Siobhan doing? I sort-of pieced together what's happened, but have not heard any news lately.
Thanks! Tricia in NJ
I'm a Moderation Management (MM) member and have been admirably following Doc Alex for a number of years. Are there any like-minded docs in the Chicago area? I completely agree with the Harm Reduction approach, and disagree with the 12 step approach, and am not physically dependant on alcohol. I'm looking to connect up with someone to help me with alcohol moderation. (I tend to binge on Fri or Sat night). I think it's time to add Naltrexone or substitution with MJ to the MM principles.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Hey Dr Alex!
That last comment had porno in it, when I clicked on thename.. I hope I don't get in trouble when my wife sees it came up on my computer!
Sincerely, Michael Langley, MD
thanks michael,
a few get past me -sigh-
..alex…
DEA_is_Fascist
we should file a class-action lawsuit against DEA (democracy elimination agency)for causing us undue pain and suffering, child molesters, murderers and rapists are treated much better than doctors/pain patients, this country is turning into a fascist state, it's time that the DEA had some kind of oversight with some people from the community with some power, this was supposed to be a government by the people for the people and of the people
I had wanted to get to the endof the blogs but there was no 'last page' button, only a 'next page.' I got tired of clicking and scrolling after about 6 pages.
My only comment is that we must also start addressing the state boards and their abuses. I had no trouble with the DEA. My troubles sprang from the mother of a 27 year old patient and a case reviewer who I think they hired to screw anyone whose cases they sent to her. I will not mention names but the prosecutor (in Florida that's what the Dep't. of Health calls them – talk about putting carts before horses) was intransigent.
I am so sorry about your doctor! I cannot believe this is happening in america!! my PM of three yrs just dropped me like a rock in the middle of a lake! for no reason at all!! i did nothing wrong. i just disagreed with him. he had me on 200mcg's of Fentanyl and 360 mg's oxycodone, xanax, valium, cymbalta and so on and he just left me w/no where to turn for help. i just want to live. i just want to live and i am so scared.
i would just like the world to know some doctors think they are gods! i had a pain pump implanted in december, my trial run was great and i now know what almost pain free feels like, but the impkanted pump is not working like the trial did. i ask my pm doc what but he did not answer me, all he has done is humilate me, belittle me and told me i was causing my pain. he did not give me any medication for break thru pain and all his nasty comments were directed to me in front of his residents which made me feel like a little child being scolled by a parent. Has todays doctors forgotten they are working for us. i am now in the process of finding a new pm dcotor because i fired this one. thanks for letting me vent. to all of us may we have a pain free day kathy
Sorry kathy,
The doctors work for the government and insurance companies, just like the pharmacies. And they, all, cooperate with the DEA to harass good intentioned doctors and evict them from the practice of medicine. Been there done that!
Hi, Going thru Fentanyl withdrawl alone due to same above reasons. I went to your link and LO and BEHOLD–IT'S NOT AVAILABLE ANYMORE!! Paranoid? I think NOT!! Sue
Hi Sue,
What link isn't working? Let me know and I'll try and fix it.
Sue – Lomotil (an over the counter anti-diarrhea medication) might take the edge off your withdrawal. See: http://doctordeluca.com/Library/DetoxEngage/Loper…
Of course, a real detox doc using the proper medications would be safer and more effective… "good work if you can get it" (as my deceased doctor-dad would have said.) :-)
To Tricia,
Thank you for inquiring about Siobhan Reynolds and the Kansas City Dr. Schneider case. Siobhan is still fighting the outrageous subpoena the Pain Relief Network received… the $200 per day fines have truly crippled PRN. Poor Siobhan is facing serious jail time. ADA Treadway and the govt. have behaved brutally in this case. I wish I had better news to give you.
Peace,
..alex…
Help! PA State Attorney Generals Office strikes again against a New Castle , PA doctor. Dr Van Edward Scott, a Pain Management Doctor was charged with 21 felonies that stem from him supposedly prescribing to people he knew were addicted and over prescribing. I believe the Attorney General's Office is targeting Dr. Scott because he is always considered to be affiliated with Dr. Mangino, and everyone knows how he was convicted for no crime at all. Dr. Scott is a very compassionate man who deeply cares about his patients. I am hopeful that many Pain Management Doctors will stand behind Dr. Scott. He does not deserve what they are doing to him.So please Pain Management Doctors unite, and don't let another Pain Specialist be put in prison for only doing their job.
Dr Deluca, I have been doing research on chronic pain and the role voltage-dependent calcium channel play in the central nervous and chronic pain. I have also been evaluating my experiences with Gabapentin after discontinuation of benzodiazepines and Tramadol and found the withdrawals are muted. I have also been looking into Loperamide and how it provides anagesic effects for some people. Some new tests suggest Loperamide may have the same effect as Gabapentin and Pregabalin by reducing alcium influx into the nerve terminals. With this I ask why would the DEA place Pregablin into Schedule V which only contains low dose opiates like codeine, low dose dihydrocodeine and Dyphenoxylate with Atropine.Besides this, why place Pregabalin in C-V? Maybe it's a prerequite of whats to come? The withdrawals from drugs have been linked to upregulating of Ca into voltage-dependent calcium channel in theCNS. While the Scheduling of Pregabalin passed unnoticed with an extreme low potential of dependence, my concern is whether the DEA has set a precedence? Do they desire to place this class of drugs into Schedule V along with the possibility of C-IV ? We should be wary of the DEA and never forget we are part of their war on drugs.
Dear nycrr1961,
The entire scheduling system is fundamentally flawed. Having a medically uneducated police agency in charge of manipulating and controlling medications is public health madness.
GET DEA Out of the Regulation of Medicine!
..alex…
Does anyone know of an experienced compassionate pain doctor near Harrisburg Pa? I have herniated discs in my back that need operated on but no health insurance and the only med that gives me any relief is oxycodone. Just moved here and don’t know anyone thx M
Sorry Mike there isnt an experienced compassionate pain dr.They treat you and give a high dose of pain med then out of the blue that cant help you anymore.No respect for chronic pain patients.Its torture pure torture waiting counting your meds and being turned down because your too sick….how ironic can that be,,,shameful!!
Dear world,
Is there an index of doctors anywhere that let you know will you know who cares enough to do what is in the patients best interest? What ever happened to ETHICS?
Hi pezinkj,
PA is very aggressive with doctor prosecutions, even silly ones. I don't know anything about Dr. Scott. From just what you say, it sounds like an awful lot of pressure is going to come down on him. The attorney general can bring charges against anyone they think they can make a case against – DEA doesn't have to initiate the prosecution, and I assure you they will cooperate to the fullest if the State pursues a criminal case. The Fed can jump on the bandwagon anytime they choose.
I call it "serial savaging" – the medical board, the State, and the Fed whack you in serial and in parallel. It happened to Dr. Rosa Martinez, for example. Do a search for "rosa martinez" from the search box top right. Also search for "tom corbett" if you want to see why I call AG Corbett a public health wrecking machine.
Hope Dr. Scott has a good and experienced legal team with him on this walk into the lions den. He was smart not to fall for the "just let us hold your DEA license for a while" trick.
..alex…
Alex DeLuca, M.D., MPH
Hi pezinkj,
PA is very aggressive with doctor prosecutions, even silly ones. I don't know anything about Dr. Scott. From just what you say, it sounds like an awful lot of pressure is going to come down on him. The attorney general can bring charges against anyone they think they can make a case against – DEA doesn't have to initiate the prosecution, and I assure you they will cooperate to the fullest if the State pursues a criminal case. The Fed can jump on the bandwagon anytime they choose.
I call it "serial savaging" – the medical board, the State, and the Fed whack you in serial and in parallel. It happened to Dr. Rosa Martinez, for example. Do a search for "rosa martinez" from the search box top right. Also search for "tom corbett" if you want to see why I call AG Corbett a public health wrecking machine.
Hope Dr. Scott has a good and experienced legal team with him on this walk into the lions den. He was smart not to fall for the "just let us hold your DEA license for a while" trick.
Addendum:
State criminal charges were filed against Dr. Scott in April '09: http://www.curearchives.com/Doctor-who-wrote-most…
..alex…
Alex DeLuca, M.D., MPH
Here are a few comments from other patients of Dr. Scott's if anyone is interestedhttp://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Van_Edward_Scott.html” rel=”nofollow”>:http://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Van_Edward_Scott.html
pezinkj – thank you for the update, but the link is broken somehow. If your could check it and re-post, I and others would appreciate it.
thanks,
..alex…
pezinkj – thank you for the update, but the link is broken somehow. If your could check it and re-post, I and others would appreciate it. thanks, ..alex…
Broken Link for Dr. Scott Comments: Sorry about that, for some reason a link won't work from vitals.com. If you go to vitals.com, then type Dr.Van Edward Scott in were it says Dr.'s name, and PA in for the state, it will bring up his name. It will say 1 exact match, click on view full profile under his name, this will bring you to a page with his rating which is a 3 out of 4 stars. Right next to the rating click on 5 comments (it's in blue). I hope this isn't too much trouble to view this, beacuse this will definately give you a good idea of what his patients think of him.
You took the words right out of my mouth,when is America going to wake up??? You can count on me,the Bible stated all this will come to pass but to try to make this world a better place anyway,It's time to stand America! God says not to force his will on anyone,who does MAN think he is? ABOVE GOD? It's time WE THE PEOPLE hold our Government liable,I'm calling for more protests and marches,I WILL show up,WE HAVE to,lets end this NOW.You will definitely be hearing more from me,can I count on you?
Thank you, pezinkj.
..alex…
It does not matter what Dr Scott's patients think of him. They are not doctors! Or even worse, they are not politicians who think they know more than doctors! The patients were very supportive of me. Yet , I am without a practice, and a license! It makes me kind of cynical. If he faces the same abuse I did, at the hands of a medical board, then he is in big trouble! So much for encouraging compassion among physicians! Seems like they just want a bunch of, unfeeling, computer geeks running the show, anyway! I was told in residency that I got in trouble because I cared too much about the patients!? (politics was, most, important!)
I know what you're saying, but there are alot of bad things being printed and spread around about Dr. Scott that is just not true and totally unfair to him. I just figured that his patients are probably the best reviewers of him, so take a look at what they have to say about him. If I was your patient and I thought you were being treated unfair by these people, I would have done the same for you. I agree with you 100% about medical decisions should be left for Dr.s and it's down right wrong that you don't have a practice because you cared too much about your patients. You should have been praised for that, not prosecuted. That comment about caring about your patients to much sums up Dr. Scott.
i have endometriosis and a slipped disc in my back,after being on norco 10/325 my doctor all of a suuden rerfused to refill my prescription and put me on gabapentin instead because i told him i needed more than the two pills a day he prescribed.i asked him at least ween me off the meds but he refused!this is so wrong if he was in the kind of pain im in he would take narcotic pain medicine.now i have no medicine and need to find a new doctor,im so tired of pain patients being trated like garbage,the dea has no right to control our pain meds!
More Bad News for Dr. Scott & his Patients:
The Medical Board of PA did not give Dr. Scott his license back at his hearing on May 13th. Now, I guess, it will depend on how his trial goes, which his secretary said won't be til at least October. It seems as though the Att. General is trying to prosecute Dr. Scott on matter of opinion. Supposedly they sent 20 patient files to an expert (that probably works for the Att. General) and he is saying something about Dr. Scott's prescribing is unacceptable. Who is this guy to decide what is acceptable? How can this tell how much medication someone needs just from looking at records. I would think when it comes to a patient in pain that you would have to examine the patient, not just look at records. I want to help Dr. Scott any way I can because I know this man does not have a single cell of criminal intent in his body. Any suggestions as to how I can help him would be appreciated.
PA Medical Expert?
Came accross this and thought some might find it interesting. This is the supposed medical expert for the prosecution in Dr. Mangino's trial. Good to see PA uses such upstanding citizens to give "expert" testimony. kdka.com/local/David.Evanko.charges.2.1289155.html
Is this just not , seemingly, typical? They always find someone who is willing to state what the authorities want. And they get paid for doing so, too! Thing is, the rules that apply in a court of law, do not apply to the medical board hearings. It is amazing how the authorities know , without ever seeing , talking with, or evaluating the patients, that the doctor (who did so) , is not treating the patient correctly? It is nothing but a kangaroo court! I just rest assured that what goes around comes around! I see the medical profession in big doo-doo over the next few years!
mike
same thing happened to me Kathy. I found a new PD, then posted how terrible he was on his yellow pages add…… made me feel better and knocked his popularity down a notch.
Another Link that don't work?
Sorry about the the link, but if you copy and paste the last line (starting with kdka) it should bring you to the article. Basically this "expert" that testified in Dr. Mangino's trial was charged with inappropriately touching young boys.
I am a chronic pain patient and am tired of the nonsense! Anyone think we can get a bunch of people to drive there? Or anyone have a group already going?
I know it will be a difficult trip on many of us but my anger will over this will help me travel
anyone else interested?
Best, Mary
suboxone is like antabuse. I don't know what other pain meds you are on but if you take something like morphine or oxycodone you'll be puking your guts out real quick. That's why the DEA and govt. are pushing it. Believe me, it ain't methadone.
I have been on Methadone for pain for 15 years and it has saved my life. I had to pretend to be a drug addict because when I moved to this wonderful Nazi state I'm in I couldn't get pain meds for valid diagnosed intractable pain.
No one heard of PTSD because my husband suffered it from Viet Nam. He died less than 2 years ago after 8 months of bladder cancer. I will never get over him. And with my increasingly severe pain I don't care if I or anyone else dies. My husband's favorite saying was "WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS IS TELEVISED EXECUTIONS OF POLITICIANS". I have a feeling now that he would amend that to say "SHOOT EM IN THE KNEES, ELBOWS, HANDS, SHOULDERS SO THEY CAN FEEL OUR PAIN."
Are you talking about Dr. Scott's trial? If you are, I am sure there will be alot of his patients present to support him. I also heard some patients have been asked to testify on his behalf. If this is what you are talking about, I will try to keep you informed about when the trial will be. As of now, it is scheduled for sometime in October. If this is not what you are referring to, can you please post where you want to get a group to travel to.
Thank you,
I feel Dr Scott's pain. Lets just hope he does not end up in prison for caring too much. They are wasting good physicians in this country! Then, you can have their choice of care, the ones that are left!! (I don't hate being out of the shark pit!)
I am a board-certified physical medicine and rehabilitation physician, and I manage predominantly chronic pain patients. Although I am well-trained and competent, I am phasing-out my chronic pain practice. I sympathize with chronic pain patients, but, although I am cautious, I fear regulatory scrutiny as a physician, and in the future, I plan to refer any chronic pain patients requiring controlled substances for pain to another physician. Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns such as doctor-shopping, prescription fraud, medication diversion, etc. that goes along with chronic pain management, and I spend too much time acting as an impromptu detective rather than a patient-care provider.
Hello. My name is Michelle, I’m 27 yrs old and live in Alberta, Canada. I came accross this website tonite like many of the countless nights over the years (as I’m sure you are all too familiar with), in a desperate search to find help and advice in dealing with chronic pain. And especially dealing with my doctor. I have been chronically ill since I was 14 years old. I managed to barely graduate highschool, but it has been downhill since then. For a long time, I had no real diagnosis except symptoms of severe pain in my jaw, neck, shoulders, and migraines everyday (which I’m positive are the result of untreated pain in my jaw and neck). I feel that these symptoms are the consequence of a few accidents (incl motor collisions) and injuries from a sexual assualt when my head was smashed into concrete numerous times. I have tried seeking help from a few diff doctors over the past 12+ years, and was convinced by my doctors to take so many diff medications, ranging from anti-convulsants, neuropathic meds like gabapentin, nsaids and numerous anti-depressants/anxiety meds… many of which made me much more sick while not helping with the pain. I’ve spent thousands on physio, accupuncture, psycholgist, massage etc. I’ve jumped through hoops for these doctors, all the while keeping my faith that medicine will help me find some relief (even just partial) one day. But after all of that, when it seemed only some form of opiod would be of help.. I was instead told that nothing man could provide me will ever help me… that I just gotta suck it up and learn to live with it. For a couple years I tried with every ounce of my heart and soul…to be stronger and push forward.. each month I have gotten progressively worse… I failed out of school three times because I was in too much pain to sit and read for long and couldnt concentrate (nvm the insomnia because I can’t sleep in so much pain). I’ve had migraines 3-5 times/week since I was 18, but for the last 2 years everyday. I can barely leave the house now and can’t keep us with housework etc. I also have mysterious loss of vision over the past 2 yrs and can barely read anymore. I’ve had MRIs that were inconclusive in finding that I might has MS or something. Sometimes I think that my brain has been permanently damaged because of untreated chronic pain and migraines… :( I am 27 yrs old… been sick and broken for over half of my life… every attempt to lead a somewhat normal life and every dream I’ve ever had has been destroyed. I feel as though I’ve never had the chance to live my life and have accomplished nothing. I hit rock bottom a long time ago and been scrambling to save my life for so long… all I want is to have a family, be a good wife and friend, and be able to contribute and give back to society. But instead I am wasting away…. I deserve a chance to have proper pain treatment. But none of my doctors have been willing to give me even a single chance. Anyways… I’m really sorry for the wall of text. I just had to let it out, as I sometimes still hope that maybe one day ill find help. I’ve given up on doctors around here… as I can’t even get a new doctor since none are accepting new patients. I guess canada is having many of the same problems as the US, especially ever since we lost the liberal goverment to the conservatives.
Wyatt
i am on morphine and have been for years for about the last year and 1/2 my doctor told me if i need an increase of pain med he will have to install the pump even though i have at least 4 contract intication for the surgery. so now i have 1 week the meds work and 3 weeks iam in withdraw and pain depresion iam sure that when i have had enough me and mt ar 15 will giving out life long pain to people who now sean to have no idea what its like to lay down acheing all over and going nuts with the constant supply of pain signals.
I am sorry to hear about your suffering. I might be of some help for your pain. I know from both personal experience and the experience of others I have worked with the combination of highly concentrated proteolytic enzymes and curcumin (from tumeric root) is very effective. Taken in between meals the combo can sharpy reduce pain and inflammation. Google curcumin and pain and you'll be amazed how they work. Although they are "natural" remedies they have no side-effects, you just may have to repeat dosing more than synthetic meds. Hope you try it.
connie
Hi, it sounds like you might have fibromyalgia, and chronic myofascial pain syndrome. Some non-narcotic meds that may help (I say MAY), are baclofen, flexeril, soma, SLOW-MAG (available at wal-mart) also Electric stimulation. If you have not found a medicine to put you into a deep sleep at night, then that is what you need to address FIRST. GOT to get that DEEP sleep, or you'll never feel better (also elavil can help if you can stand the weight gain). Can you get to a physiatrist (dr. of physical medicine and rehabilitation)?
Thank you so much for writing this. Why do they do this? Are they stupid or evil? I myself can't live without narcotics due to nerve damage that sends electric shocks through my body. It is terrifying.
That is so sad. The law contradicts science.
I am a chronic pain sufferer of 18 years, the DEA is a joke; So are some of new Doctors who come in and in 5 minutes ruin your life cutting out and down meds you have taken so long because they work with little to no side effects. Why don't they punish the GOD complex DRs who do this rather than trying to get them to give you new drugs that you react or die from. I am really suffering and no one seems to care
I would also suggest that you may have a Chiari malformation in the base of your skull causing this problem. Without an MRI, looking for the abnormality, it is often missed. The symptoms are the same as fibromyalgia and myofascial pain syndrome. But, there is a surgical procedure to decompress the area in the skull. Another thing might be spinal stenosis for the cervical spinal canal,compressing the cervical spinal cord. Without a good work-up, many of these problems go undetected. Then, the doctor places the blame on the patient instead of his lack of his/her ability to find the real problem.
In need of compassionate pain doctor in Myrtle Beach. I have 2 herniated discs in my neck, a torn meniscus in my knee, and post herpatic neuralgia. My doctor who has prescribed pain meds for 3 years suddenly quit the practice. The head doctor cut off my pain meds. Thanks
In support of Scott and validity of what he says. Search this reference and read her 2007 testimony before congress:
" congressional testimony by Siobhan Reynolds, founder of "Pain Relief Network"
In the twilight stage of this life [recall that, as documented on cbs 60 minutes ] we live in a delusional death denying culture scamming its citizens with the hope that authorities possess an optimistic promise that if we are just obedient to their zealotry, an optimistic healthism can prevent every malady, including pain and death. I struggle with this orwellian crappola myself.
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news like this tears a heart up. complete paradygm shift is called for. my heart goes out to all you at PRN
bobby bear
In Central Florida – My primary doctor is now drug testing patients (I'm 60 years old) before you can receive any pain medications, he sez its a new law in 2011. So I lost my pain meds (perocet) because i tested positive for "pot". I tried to tell him it works better than the xanax he prescribes me. Doesn't matter!! hes been my dr for 6 years(not any more) and I have always been a good patient…
Question: How come people aren't drug tested for alochol? (the #1 drug killer)
Answer: Okay its legal….and so is pot in several states.
Hey, does any know if anyone has ever died from pot? (doubt it)
When did smoking weed become such I big deal? I bet most people would be alot more fucked up taking pills and alcohol then pot.
"Dr. what should I do for the pain".????????? Dr. "go to the hospital"………………….(how pathetic) Now I'm back on a cane.
Does anyone know about this new law?
Hi there everyone, wow I just stumbled upon tis site and and i wonder if it was put here for me? What a ton of useful words from so many educated and outspoken people with the same outlook and perspectives as myself, I would like to offer up up my predicament if I may, and I hope and welcome, in fact invite anyone who can provide some helpful thoughts and perhaps different angles of approach to help solve my problem. You see, I do have chronic pain, I have Slight Scoliosis in my lower back but at age 28 I have flat out given up on seeking pain medication as every doctor has placed the theoretical red target on my forehead labeled DRUG SEEKER! So my ACTUAL problem right now is (I have learned to ignore the back pain, pretty sad I know) Ok, this is embarrassing but I am OCD and have EXTREME Anxiety attacks. I have been to Two Psychiatrist. I just got into it with my last one tonight. (Good help is hard to find) I have awesome Insurance too! The problem Is I am only getting 3 mg per day of Clonozopam and it suddenly stopped working. I am going through a Legal issue that his SPIKED my anxiety and I was COMPLETELY honest with the therapist…thinking I should be I tried to explain myself about what happened and he seemed very accusatory and judjy…I have had a spotless record and there's a story behind the reason why this crime happened (yes, isn't there always, no it is not drug alcahol, child abuse related, and there is no question I have an actual Disability,) but never the less so I am paying the consequences as gracefully and humbly as humanly possible and I know the only man who matters has already forgiven me (The man above) and he is the only one who has the right to judge…so there…but OH WAIT…GUSS NOT….apparently now my Psychiatrist gets to Judge now because IMMEDIATLEY after telling him he denied increasing my meds and abondened my treatment did not refill my scripts and I had to call 4 times. He finally called back today and said to find a new doctor because he will not refill my meds or increase them based on the fact that he thinks that now…I am ABUSING THEM…."but wait, I just was completely forthcoming with you and told you about this traumatic event that triggered my OCD that I'm now cleaning all night and can't sleep or can't out the broom down to change my kids diaper, the counters are never clean enough, all that goes through my head all nigh when I'm home is "dirty, it's dirty, everything is dirty" So MY QUESTION IS…How do I get a new Doc to correctly dose me. I AM NOT ABUSING MY CLONOZAPAM I DON"T EVEN LIKE IT IT DOSN'T FLIPPING GET ME HIGH IT MAKES ME TIRED….aaaaaah then and only then can I stop the vacuuming, read a book with my 7 year old, play Legos and roll around on the floor w my 18 month old, watch a Blockbuster with my Hubby and paint my toe nails with my 28 year old, "my dear old self" again…does anybody OH anybody understand, can any of you offer any good advise, doctors is the Sacramento, CA area. Any phrases to say or NOT say…It's like, How can a Doctor have and even be allowed to get away with LOOKING at a person and based on "ASSUMPTION" "APPEARANCE" "GUESSES" "NOT FACTS" say their Drug seeking? You know what they say about ASS UMING! Is this even Legal??? All Advice Welcome….please!!!!
BLESS YOU ALL!
Hey Doc– not sure if you remember me, over at Suboxone Talk Zone… I still have a link there to you, but have a new 'portal' to my sites about opioid dependence at http://addictionremission.com . I also have a new blog about opioids at Psych Central…
If you have room in your bookmarks, please consider a link to my addictionremission.com site. I also have a case I'm struggling with… wondering what you would do for a person status-post brain stimulator insertion for phantom limb pain of the arm…. had total avulsion of the brachial plexus. Narcotic tolerance rising, young person, no end in site… the type of case much too complicated for the typical news story about 'pill-pushing doctors'- or one they would reduce to that type of headline.
Hopefully you still have my e-mail, otherwise you can find me through fdlpsychiatry.com .
Take care–
I would like to say that maybe it will be that a person who works on the DEA task force, involved in this whole b.s. of pain management by taking medication away from those who need it most, will experience some sort of injury or illness that involves a lot of pain or chronic pain. And he/she should not be able to recieve any pain medication just to walk in the shoes of those who have to suffer everyday. Then, just then maybe somebody in the DEA would have compassion for those who need pain relief and do something about all the harrassament of doctors treating their patients needs.
My husband is a (lung and brain) cancer survivor, but as a result of his treatments, he suffers from long term cronic pain. His doctors start him out on pain meds, then quickly take him off them because they are afraid of loosing their license, at which time he suffers a great deal. If the goverment felt the kind of pain he and other chronic pain pateints lived with, they'd rethink their policies and let the doctors prescribe the pain releaving drugs these patient need. After all we are all intitled to the persuit of happiness. It's time the govenrment let the educated doctors do their job and they get back to the real buisness at hand and that is surving the people.
Help!!!!!!! My mother has a slipped disc in her lower back and now her bones are starting to rub together. She went to a pain managment doctor and they want to give her shots in her back. Well she can not get the shot because she has had open heart surgery in the past and she is on cumadin… Well her heart doctor said that she could not get the the shot because it would not coincide with her medication. So she has been taking loratabs for the pain, and she gets it from her primary care doctor. Well two weeks ago she had her tooth pulled and her dentist prescribed her loratabs as well. She explained to them that she was getting fives from her primary care doctor.. But her dentist wanted to prescribe her something stronger. So she goes today to pick up her prescription from her primary care doctor and he told her that he will not prescribe them to her anymore because she did not inform them that she recieved loratabs from her dentist. Well my mother was not informed that she was suppose to tell them. Can he do this… She is in pain and always in pain the only thing she can take is the loratabs …
vet
being a veteran I look back, and the equipment did always come first. We would work 72 plus hours straight to insure Tank battle readiness. I had my share of injuries, and seen other troops cut off fingers,limbs, and die to insure the equipment was ready for battle. Just like many others, I have severe problems with my neck, and lower back, disc tears, herniated disk, stenosis,etc. I do live with chronic pain daily, but I am writing officials, and showing concern about the lack of pain treatment/under treatment, and hospitals/doctors not even following their own pain management protocols. Its pure hell to be in pain, undertreatment can, and does cause pain to multiply, a lot of factor, and variable are involved. When you hurt so bad its hard, a task to even shower, get dressed, thus the pain causes inactivity, and amplifies, causing further swelling, catching. Write your officials, congress, senate, whoever you can think of.
Does anyone know of a good PM in the NYC area? My doc of over 10 years recently passed away, and I am completely lost. I am stable, functional now – but I won't be for much longer. I have 3 weeks to find another doc. Can anyone help?
Thank you, -K
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Your Doctor is being paid by the federal government for being a suboxone clinic, they have to submit reports to the federal government about the progress of suboxone patients, so the more suboxone patients, more payment from the government.
You can go to the Suboxone website or search the internet for the informaton.
This was a very informative site…..As a person struggling w/ opiate addiction from naively following dr.'s over-prescribing antics when I shouldve researched anything and everything I was putting into my body at the time I can honestly say I am torn between both sides.
Pain MUST be managed & respected, HOWEVER….until there is more of a fool-proof way to determine if someone is in pain or not, abuses will happen & others (dr.'s) will certainly profit from these people….Greed doesnt discriminate, just like addiction doesnt.
Corbett is a public wrecking machine in general.
He initiated a grand jury investigation to try and force Twitter to disclose the identities of 2 individuals who criticized him on the social network at the tax payers expense. 2 individuals who just exercised their rights to free speech.
Here's one of many of the articles about that: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100519/1031479…
I believe he finally let that go once the people pointed out it was an abuse of position. Though now he's running for governor…and being that PA is remarkably corrupt in many aspects, I wouldn't be surprised if he won regardless of votes.
If one is targeted in the State of PA, god help you. Just Google things like the shady former York County DA Stan Rebert and the head of the Schaad Detective Agency (who somehow won most all of the bids for the State's security details (at toll roads, in govt' facilities, etc) and the little prostitution ring that the York Daily news uncovered a few yrs back (there's a few good YouTube videos on that as well.) Did I mention, to date, (at least from what I've seen) none of them have been arrested despite a great deal of evidence against them.
Corbett is running for Governor. Regardless of Dr. Scott's guilt or innocence, if you wish to have a chance for quality medical care or rights to such things, I highly suggest all residents of the state get out there and vote.
It's only a short leg from Governor to US Senate, House of Reps, or the Presidency. We can only hope he'll be stopped somewhere before that.
In regards to Dr. Scott though, someone is always going to be the one who writes the most pain med scripts, so if he's knocked out of the ring, I wonder if the next highest prescriber will face the same demise. Did you know in hospitals they flag and review the nurses who give out the most pain meds? Doesn't matter that they might work in the post op unit or surgical floor where odds are good they'll have patients with a far greater need for such meds, and that they may work more hours than some of the other nurses on the same unit.
The state of adequate pain control in this country is reaching disatrous proportions. Shows like Dr. Oz continue to regularly terrify the general public into believeing everyone who needs even pain meds for a week of post op pain will become raging addicts on the fast track to homelessness and jail. It's hard to see a light at the end of the tunnel for this situation.
Assuming he was practicing with the best of intentions, my thoughts are with Dr. Scott and his family through this difficult time.
Wow,
I stumbled on this page looking for stages of grief with a chronic pain condition. I had no idea this ridiculous fight was still going on & criminalization of pain patients & doctors was still going on. I wonder if the prosecutors or the courts ever heard of the "Pain Patients' Bill of Rights"?
I searched more & discovered Dr. William Hurwitz was convicted. I could hardly believe what I was reading! I recall him from an online pain patient group years ago. The instructions to the jury, from what I read, told the jury that weather he was guilty or not had 'nothing to do with "Standards of Care."' Scary.
The mess with Purdue Pharma re: OxyContin was crazy too. I thought that was interesting to change the formula without notifying but VERY few people & effectively using pain patients as guinea pigs & I was informed that the FDA forced this on Purdue. This was dangerous for many who can't process this medication properly for pain control & going through surgery without working pain meds is dangerous, can lead to shock, etc. I know, I went through it. The notice the pharmacies got said that other than it being "crush-proof" it was the same drug – BS! Did they think for a second about "Informed Consent"? That some of us may not process it the same? might have health problems other than pain? I guess not. I was told they were warned but went ahead with it anyhow.
I now have to wonder why I felt so 'out of it' when coming out of surgery, not knowing at that time that there had been a change? Then when the anesthetics wore off, something was clearly wrong & had an arrhythmia. And who's being irresponsible?
I could have died from shock.
I never signed a release, nor was I ever compensated to be in a nation-wide clinical trial for this, nor did I agree to do something experimental as per that medication. (My mother did when I had radiation when I was young, yet she was told what was going on at least – even then exaggerated the urgency, but at least we knew it was radiation, the type & that the dose was experimental.)
I also recall Janis Murphey, a "client" of Dr. Kevorkian's, who would likely still be here had she been afforded adequate pain meds.
People abuse all sorts of things, & more people die from Tylenol than from these other drugs, likely combined!
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Why don't we put ALL medication OTC & those who wish to abuse it can, those of us who wish to take it responsibly & as needed and determined by an MD can use insurance to pay for it. Tax what is sold OTC & not that which is used medically.
It is no surprise that people cross the state lines to get care. It is done all the time for medical procedures & is standard practice for those that are not available in the area where a patient lives! If it were not, my friends' nephew would have died shortly after childbirth as he needed a special neonatal unit not available where they were at the time!
Why not let those who want to abuse drugs do so, just like alcohol & like it is being done in a few other countries.
BTW, interesting that opium was not so "addictive" until it was injected, then later altered. When it was altered, then later a resemblance of it was created in a lab, THEN it became the addictive mess it is now. Why is a natural, far less addictive version of true opiates (with enzymes, etc. from the plant that are naturally occurring) & the plants themselves made legal here in the US?
The chemicals kids are messing with these days are FAR more lethal than any natural products. I notice no results of deaths from other medications were mentioned that I could see in ANY of the allegations by prosecutors. If they did the same with antibiotics, Tylenol, etc., they might just rethink what they are doing in law enforcement.
It seems to me that there are already laws on the books FOR ADEQUATE MEDICATION FOR PAIN PATIENTS! These were a result of under-medication & suffering of intractable pain patients, cancer & AIDS patients.
It seems the laws have been totally ignored and law enforcement, including the DEA, state & federal attorneys general, and even local law enforcement & judges NEED to be informed of the law & maybe need to spend some time with chronic pain patients.
Until there are more changes, some states need to keep the pharmacies & the doctors separate, so there are some checks & balances.
Also, instead of bumbling through & destroying a doctor's & patients' lives, couldn't the DEA have instead informed the doctors that they had/have addicts, who they are & work together instead of spending tons of tax $$$$$$$$$$ on prosecuting & destroying good doctors? Did they think for once to send a letter? make a visit? OK, maybe AFTER they made a visit, as I'm sure some doctors don't care.
Seems to me most of these, if not all, would co-operate with authorities IF they had been notified the meds they were prescribing were being sold, abused, etc.
I have to wonder how many pain patients we'll loose in this round of ridiculous BS & how many we lost before? I can think of 5 I knew personally, all suicides but one who died of other causes related to not getting pain meds she needed.
Let's make EVERYTHING OTC and stop criminalizing something that kills FAR less than alcohol! That way if someone needs antibiotics or an inhaler, they can get one when they need it without running up Medicare/Medicaid costs with repeated &padded doctor visits. This would stop or severely reduce the kickbacks AND save our Medicare system!
Then the FDA can concentrate on labeling of ALL medications properly, including binders! THAT would save a LOT of lives!
I'm going through a similar experience (no pump yet, just pain medication) and a sadistic (honestl&truly) PCP (GP) "doctor". I was assigned a new dr when mine recently left the practice. Neck issues all life, bad car accident 20 yrs ago that left acute radiculopathies turning into cronic (never stopped work when should have thus became permanent) I have cronic pain 24/7 without medication. I've battled with my PCP vowing to try to keep all meds to the barest minimum for years. He left the practice and I took the new dr that came in. Didn't know she was a "pain specialist" (no extra trainning in) and likes natural treatments. I didn't think anything of it. Until I met her, and in less than 1 minute she told me she knows I take pain meds and she doesn't "believe" in it. My nerologist had upped my meds amonth before, finally giving me relief to function with my daily tasks and could brush teeth without the day ruinned in misery! Well, this "god" saw THAT and wanted it stopped.
She shook her head "no" on every word, and every bit of history, while giving me the dirtiest looks I've EVER encountered. She proceeded to the "pelvic"exam, and it was so abusive and painful (she kept at it if pain;punching my insides with her figers??? Felt like nails. She did something terrible to my hemmoroids that had not bothered me in 20 years!!!! I can't repeat nasty abusive sarcastic comments and action by this sicko. I phoned and a nurse admitted I was FAR from alone in COMPLAINING , the word got out I was going to report her as could really HURT old,disabled or pain sufferers BADLY. Without a nurse in the room I fear the damage she can do. AND this is at a very nice mini-hospital clinic. I told a nurse I plan to report her and she told me I'm FAR from alone!!! End of story; she called my neurologist to STOP my PAIN MEDS! Lord God have mercy! A DOCTOR wants you to rock crying in a chair the rest of your now miserible life?!! I'm now alone with this, and must MOVE soon-get panick attacks w/pvcs @ thought of torture nightmare of pain from sorting,cleaning,moving ,etc. ONLY folks in cronic pain understand the terror.
My heart is going bonkers since cut meds in 1/2. Try to do a few dishes and all I can when 2nd pill gives 3 hours of relief. I live for those 3 hours. They want me to go 10 days a month in AGONY to make sure that I'm not "addicted"??? I'm in tears now, knowing this sadistic lunatic PCP?PC met me in minutes decided my LIFE – she had a hatred I've NEVER seen in MY LIFE. Nightmare. She clearly enjoyed giving me as much pain as poss behind the closed door. SO MANY people being victimized by These "gods" who decide if you can ever get an hr or 3 of relief a. Torture doctors.I wish they HAD a way THEY could FEEL the PAIN they give out . They should have experienced horrific pain themselves before "specializing" in torture. Can't afford $ surgery- you can't MOVE while getting operated on anyway. May wind up with no use of arms OR legs, friends regret similar surgery so badly-crippled worse/pain-a living hell.Wish YOU a pain free day!:) Thank-You so much for your post!!!Thanking everyone else too-needed you ALL badly today. God Bless YOU ALL!!!!
I really enjoy this website. As a chronic pain sufferer, I believe that undertreatment of pain is one of the biggest unspoken problems facing our country right, especially due to the Drug War hysteria. It seems to me that millions of people living in pain are forced to suffer because of a few individuals who use medications irresponsibly. Making the many suffer for the sake of a few makes no sense to me. If the government was serious about protecting lives, they would focus more on education and less on enforcement. For example, I believe we have the technology right now to prevent many needless overdose deaths. An implant could easily be developed (the technology already exists) to monitor heart rates and respiration rates in high risk patients who are using opiates. When the respiration rate falls to a certain level, a device implanted in their bodies could release an opiate antagonist to prevent overdose. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any articles about developing such technology — probably because the emphasis is on enforcement instead of saving lives.
Wow you r so right…..I am currently writing a thesis about chronic pain and those on methadone maintainence…..added to this thesis I plan to comment on why Docs have become afraid to prescribe opiates to anyone regardless of their background. I too am a pain suffere for over 30 years…I have been disabled because of it….and am no longer getting any pain meds …that in itself is a long storey. Something does need to be done to control the DEA….what they are doing to innocent people is apalling.
Pain has been an epidemic for americans suffering from lack of adequate management to live a some what normal life. I ask what is the solution? Dr
s have the Dea at their heads dare they give appropriate pain management, the doctor is in fear of his license and or prison sentence. Why cant the dea go after the drug cartels, the real meth labs, street drugs etc. It all boils down to the quailtyl as that control such pain. Now its a quiet war between the dea the doctor and the patient. OF course the patient suffers the most, possibly dies from the lack and will to live with chronic untreated pain written on their grave stone. It is a travisty to live in a country that pain patients are profiled, not a heart patient, and all the other patients taking the meds to keep them functioning, while pain patients are red flagged, now tagged a drug seeking behavior patient. How can we- Pain Patients make a change? to be free from physical pain that prevents us to live a better life. thankyou for this site i pray for all of you who have visited here. God help the dea to understand what pain is……a guestDr Beaman, gave my son prescriptions for oxycontin without any follow up without any exam. for cash only. My son hung himself from my roof last monday. I am suffering terribly but not nearly what my son suffered. Lord have Mercy on Dr Beaman's soul. His greed know no bounds.
The greed of the doctors and pharmaceutial companies is utterly unquenchable.
They will all have to pay in some way eventually.
DEA is unconstitutional as it is, and was suddenly called into life by Tricky Dick in his efforts to swing the country massively to the right. Now, as a Liberal, I am beginning to learn something here. Both sides run the drug war, and it affects both left and rightwing pain patients. WEe need to set an example and GET TOGETHER, and fight what's unconstitutional, cruel, and unjust. Better than a class-action (which I would join, though), would be to get mass petitions going and letter writing campaigns to our govt. representatives, and demand no less than dissolution of the DEA and a revision of the CSA and drug laws. Kick the DEA out of medicine, a field it knows nothing about at all.
I have a crazy pain doc from Hell! Not only am I kept on the lowest dose of percocet (yes, I was disallowed the APAP-less variety), but I have to endure (and pay for) monthly shots in my back, as s sort of catch all for back pain. I'm in a minefield. If I say the pain is worse, my doc says 'then my treatment isn't working and I can't see you any more'. If I say I would like more pain med, he says 'done this way tolerance does not occur at all'. If I report differing pain scale numbers, it messes with his expectations and he can't treat me any longer. If an related, referred pain occurs (in legs and feet, a logical offshoot of L4-L5 /L5-S1), but it's not actual back pain, I am not even allowed to report it. Let alone receive more relief for it. There's WAY more crazy stuff you wouldn't believe, so I'll leave that out for now. If anyone knows of better treatment in the Southern NH area, pain docs are very sparse here. Does anyone know more about the state of pain medicine here in my area? Perhaps doc. DeLuca, would you know about this area? I am considering moving (not just to get better access, mind you), may as well find a place where I can get the meds I need so I can get a life again. Thanks much – P.
I happened to stumble across this board when researching pain med docs in my area. I have had my L4, L5-s1 fused, and just recently my c4-7 fused. Im sure it wont be long before my spine doc wont right medications. It seems many feel that the doctor isnt compassionate, sadly I feel its just that they have to cover there a#$. I can understand chronic pain, its horrible. Im glad I took myself off dilaudid, as stated above hearing what people suffer I might as well learn to deal with the pain and Im now taking myself off endocet. Id hate pain, but feel at this point its better than trying to worry about a doctor that will prescribe you the medications you need. My advice to all is try to find methods that channel pain, I take a ton of vitamins and minerals, and eat a well balanced diet. Best of luck to all, but we can blame those who had no buisness getting pain meds ie recreational users, those who sould of their meds, and the dea as well. If it gets to bad for me I guess I will have to move out to the left coast, so I can use marjuana for pain relief.
Pman
PM Docs Suck Dick. im in pain n they really dont give a shit
You can count on me! I was (labeled) an addict from my dentist Newwrith with Newwrith and Brown associates 9 years ago. I have 2 back problems and another wich causes me lots of pain and I cant get any Pain meds from any one. I even go to a apain management center. My e-mail is leoherman@centurylink.net. Thank you Lisa.
Hello everyone,
I found this site purely by chance and after reading through some of the comments here I wish I could say it's comforting that I"m not the only one going through this horrid fiasco with pain medication.
I'm an advocate for compassionate care. And I will go head to head, or toe to toe with anyone on this subject because I, like many of you I'm sure, am a poster child for chronic pain. Because I'm a person who is suffering with severe chronic pain.
I have had this pain for 10 years. I have facet syndrome, and sever osteoarthritis in my spine, as well as three collapsed discs, and a herniated SI joint. suffice to say I"m in a LOT of pain, pretty much 24/7. My GP has had me on 5mg of percocets for over a year now even though I've told him they do literally nothing for my back pain. They do help me sleep though, otherwise i toss and turn all night long. I have seen so many different alternative medicine people about this, and tried EVERYTHING recommended, including some modalities that just created more pain for me. I used a TENS unit for a whole year, until I wore it out. I tried P.T., VAXD (horrible experience) seen 5 different chiropractors (including one very famous one who is on call to John Travolta) and 3 osteopaths, a bunch of massage therapists and so on. I've done the whole routine, plus I have had cortisone shots, which made my lumbar spine so stiff I could not even bend down to touch my knees.
I'm so disgusted. The last "specialist" I saw I found off of a pain management referral site (what a joke) and he was so rude to me it was unbelievable. I had hoped he would understand and help me get some better pain meds, but instead he pressured me to try prolotherapy which i refused. So here I am trying to get some help. Can anyone PLEASE refer me to, or give me the name of a compassionate care doc anywhere in the S.F. Bay Area? Despite my daily pain I am trying to do something with my life. I am trying to finish up my degree online but the pain is making it so hard that without some help I won't be able to do this much longer because i Literally cannot sit for more than about 10 minutes without the pain becoming unbearable and I can barely walk without feeling like I'm going to collapse. So before anyone replies let me add this; I haven't been able to work in 9 years so obviously I can't afford insurance. So on top of everything else I have had a horrid time finding any doctors (except chiropractors and osteopaths) who will see me without insurance even though I can pay out of my own pocket. PLEASE is anyone knows of a good physician who would be willing to help me, I'd really be grateful for the help. I have exhausted the doctors in my area, and since there are so few around who will see people without insurance I'm really feeling stuck.
Thank you to anyone who replies.
Hmmm it didn't come out …… I typed all of the above but I googled it …. brought me to different links about him …
My name is Larry A. Singleton. I suffer from chronic pain. I go to the VA in Loma Linda California where I have been victimized by a lying quack named Dr Ask. A shrink. Incredibly my primary, Dr. Castro put me completely into his incompetent hands. This same guy made my life a living hell about ten years ago. He with my primary at the time a Dr. Fontana cornered me in a room and told me my pain was a figment of my imagination. Like an idiot I gave Ask a second chance recently and he ended up literally lying to my face and then reducing the amount of my medication without even consulting with me. That's the short version. The long version…. ….If there are any other victims of this guy, or the VA in general out there, I would really like to hear from them. This guy shouldn't be anywhere near patients, let alone the "helping profession". I can be contacted at larryasingleton@yahoo.com
I''m sorry for your pain but my sister was one of the fatalies from the defective fentanyl patches…..I'm on here because My doctor sent me to a pain specialist that wants to drug test me at every visit….I think it's outrageous…They are treating people like they are addicts….not pain riddled people…What are we on probation here?? The government is way off base here!!
This is so sad – I also have suffered for 13 years now – I have been fortunate to receive minimal pain meds but treated horribly. No one cares how very addicted I am to zoloft and cannot get off of it but a drug that actually works is a crime. Heroin addicts get better medical care and they chose to do heroin. I or none of you chose to live with chronic pain.
Come together in mass numbers is the only way to even begin fighting back. The biggest problem is any mass number all have the same issues "minimal life to give" because it takes all you have to get through each day in sum we suffer daily and such project seems too big and overwhelming but certainly possible. I will always be interested in being apart of preserving our rights as patients – seems to me we have constitutional rights concerning medical care – prisoners sure do 8th Amendment. Look at all the other medications that have addictive potentials and dr.s cram it down your throat given the perks alone.
This horrific treatment toward suffering pain patients is discrimination against a disability one cannot help – we have rights but must fight for them and fight in mass numbers. Anyone who would fake pain for pills needs help but i am certain most people would rather live somewhat normal as possible and without pain rather than have pain pills just to have them… we must fight!!!
http://www.doh.wa.gov/hsqa/MQAC/painmgmt.htm
Here is a starting point – file complaints mass numbers of complaints – not treating pain and managing it for humans is inhumane…
wow! i thought i was the only one whowanted to do this! your so right. someone has to stand up to the one sided, no other options for the drs. and the powerful DEA. your right on. tony o.
how can we contact with the admin in this website ?
Does anybody have any idea how to contact either Dr. DeLuca or Ms. Reynolds about getting their opinion on a current trial? This is for a personal inquiry not related to the press, or anything like that.
there is an escalation in this war where I live in the tri state area of Ky/Oh/WV. I find it incredible how they blame prescriptions for the drug problem and claim babies are born addicts; that is truly tragic but I'm not buying the explanation; ;I think they are trying to drive us all into the hospital clinic setting where you become their guinea pig/voodoo doll while the doctor rations the medicine without regard to symptoms and quality of life; anyway, thanks for your work Doctor D!
hello . how can i contact with the administrator?
It is time that we, as chronic and non-chronic pain patients, and our pain doctors must ban together and say "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH". There is no reason what soever for this war on Pain Doctors/Pain Patients. There is scientific evidence that shows pain hampers the healing process. Yet, more and more we are told to live with it because so many Doctors are intimidated by the government and refuse to adhere to the oath that they made to do no harm. Let us stop the insanity of Doctors losing their licenses. Anyone who interested in meeting up to protest this please e-mail me @ inAgOnee@yahoo.com
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amen
Doc-I am, and have been a Chronic Pain patirnt for many years due to numerous physical injuries and their resulting spinal/cervical issues they have caused. I am, and have been UNDERTREATED by a PM doc who must work for the DEA as every time we discuss meds, he tells me he cannot increase my meds due to their "oversight". Is it legal for me to be treated by another docgtor, simultaneously, if each doc knew about the pther(and the meds I am given) Your help on this is greatly appreciated as I have been suffering on the "Maximum dose" for quite some time now. God bless you, Doc. You are doing EXCELLENT work here. Curse the DEA and their Gestapo-like tactics that frighten honest, caring physicians into cowards who's hands are tied. Thank you……Paul
keith
Hey what ever happened to Dr. joe statkus from northern virginia?
What does one have to do to convince doctors that they are hurting? Do the ex-rays, mri's, blood work, knots on your back, etc. don't they imply anything? I know a lot are there for the meds. But where is their records (test)? I am literally scared of losing my much needed meds. I can;t function without them. This country, our government, leaders, people of authority, etc.are ruining this country. They WILL reap what they sow, however, we suffer in the mean time. We are our own worst enemy. Sad,very sad. And ignorant!!
I am sorry I don't have any medical advice Michelle but there is one thing I'm going to do for you and that is I'm going to pray for you. Don't ever underestimate prayer. I'm sorry you have had such a rough time. When you get better without doctors, meds,etc. Remember the man that typed this prayed for you as soon as he finished typing. And you thank God. I'm calling on the best Doctor you will ever find!! Have faith! and God bless you.
Hi Mickey,
Ask him to prescribe dronnabinol (Marinol) for you. It is not merely an effect appetite stimulant, it also helps some with PTSD, anxiety and depression. (Caution – dronnabinol causes anxiety as a side effect not uncommonly – everybody is different.)
But you already have experience that THC gives you a better anti-anxiety effect than Xanax, so the risk is low for trying this med for you. Also, by putting you on dronnabinol he is protecting you from the primary harms from cannabis use – legal ramifications, medical discrimination (which you are experiencing), job and insurance discrimination, etc.
And dronnabinol isn't Schedule II – he can prescribe it using his regular script pad with standard refills; so this is not a big deal for doc.
I doubt he'll do it, because it sounds to me like what is in YOUR best interest is not his primary consideration in his doc-patient relationship with you. You might be interested in "Medical Ethics and Red Flags" – http://www.youtube.com/doctordeluca#p/u/1/qZnBDcC…
Sincerely sorry this is happening to you, Mickey; your general experience of 'being given the run around' is, alas, the norm in the US where we allow police agents and power hungry DA's to utterly distort the practice of pain management.
..alex…
Apologize for not responding and updating the link(s). A lot has happened in both the pain movement and in my personal life, and needless to say I have been neglecting even simple maintenance of this site.
Thank you for your politeness and patience with old, chronically overwhelmed me. :-)
..alex…
The best pain practice in the world, probably, is the department run by Dr. Portenoty at Beth Israel on the East Side of NYC. They have a StopPain website: http://stoppain.org/
hope this helps
..alex…
my email address is in the Domain principles & policies link, upper right sidebar of every page. http://doctordeluca.com/Library/Personal/Statemen…
See the Domain Principles and Policies link, upper right sidebar of every blog page. ..alex…
asked and answered ..alex…
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i lost my doc and meds 2 yrs ago my first doc got sent to prison for nothing maybe to cover up the real problems of crack and meth in small town but im sick ddd ra scoliosis and hypertension the withdrawals from loratab 10 vailum 10 and soma nearly killed me the fear that dr had was too much noww the dr ive got says i had no thyroid function so now ive got mixed ms soft tissue dz all of the above and is sending me for steroid shots and taken my 2 7.5 tabs away im lost cant walk in diapers 53 yr old female pain since 32 can any body help me i wish it was all in my mind the test says its not FLORIDA
I live in Kentucky and know you are right. Now they are forcing people into Ohio and all the residents do is get on Topix and complain about all of the criminals. We are not wanted anywhere. I suffer from pain from a botched operation, but NO TEST PROVES this. After 8 years of being prescribed morphine my PM doc is now losing his mind and forgets everything, makes many many mistakes. Now I am an uninsured person seeking a PM doctor in east central Kentucky that will take me!! LOL! My odds are a million to one. I just want to cry because of how so many people do not understand and say so many hurtful things online.
I need advise on how to find a PM doc in central/east Kentucky, and latter worry about telling the doc about my 8 years of morphine and nerve pill records. All PM docs her4e claim not to treat pain or nerves, but I know they do. But they fear evil addicts walking in and getting them in trouble.
Not to double post, but here we have PM docs all joining forces with hospitals and tripling rates. One can not find a average PM with an outside office, they are moving inside of hospitals and charging 2 to 3 times the rate.
I need advise on just how to find a doctor that will take me as an uninsured patient that pays by check, but at the same time I need a doctor that may someday be open minded to my chronic pain and panic attacks no matter what their signs say, and all PM docs here claim they do not treat pain nor nerves here- Yet the pain clinics all either milk all of medical insurance money and prescribe nothing for pain, OR they DO prescribe pils for pain and the local news makes a fuss over it, angers local residents, and the DEA and FBI goes in. Its the same circle of events over and over. What can we do?
I can not stay with my primary care doctor because he no longer even acts like he believes I am in pain, nor does he even recal what my pain IS after 7 to 8 years of prescribing me morphine!! ARGH the agony, I know its hard to replace him but I fear he may get somebody killed because his mind seems to be slipping, and fast!
Please help, need advise on how to find good PM being uninsured. I porefer a PM doc that would consider my chronic issues at least in time. — One last thing….
I am trying to get disability because the last 7 jobs all fired me for being too slow! My doc, at first went along and signed a form of many strict limitations I have. Next he tells me (next visit) that I have a job trying to find a job. My SS Disability lawyer mailed him twice to ask for my 7 years of records and he sent a single visit from last July!!!!!!!!!!!
Someday soon I will be seeing a judge. If my doctor refuses my records to the lawyer twice, but I have almost 8 years of lists of pain meds he has prescribed me BUT the doc refuses to send my full records to the lawyer, will this in anyway hurt or help me??
Thanks for any and all advise. I feel very helpless and useless as of now.
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we are not cowards! We just enjoy freedom more than a prison cell! I lost my license and I resent being called a coward!
ex pain doc
PS
I broke my back four months ago and can barely sit up for more than 1/2 hr at a time, now. Part of that is because I can't get adequate pain management! Neurosurgeon says "Tylenol should be enough"!
Hey dipshits, news flash, these quack doctors were arrested and prosecuted for a reason. Its because they create, enable, and enforce drug trafficking, drug abuse, and crime. There are dozens of signs med professionals look for and the DEA doesnt waste time if they have a case, they take weeks to months of research and planning. You wanna play the poor woe-is-me doctor card, thats fine. But your supporting substance abuse. When people come in, skipping and jumping (their in so much pain right?) and ask for an rx of large amount of oxycontin or lorcet and pay cash, thats red flag number one. If theyve been on an opiod pain reliver for 5 years (its for acute not chronic pain), red flag number 2. If your patients are always coming in early claiming theyre rx was stolen, lost, or you need a higher dose, red flag number 3. These are the signs the dea looks for, these are the signs of substance abuse, these are the signs of quack doctors who are nothing more than glorified frug dealers.
nice info everybody.thank you.
Thanks for continuing to fight the good fight!
Dr. DeLuca I am a Nurse Practitioner for 21 years in Oncology and soon to be graduate of medical school, so I want to start my own website with Questions and Answers to public for a fee, of course.
Where and who is the best to start with the webhosting and design?
Chronic pain for shingles and migraines is debilitating. Had some relief throughout the years, but nothing consistent. To top it of, I've just moved to New Orleans, so none of my referred docs in Houston can help. Does anyone know of a clinic in New Orleans? Thanks for the help. –Goss
ABSOLUTELY fine to have my comment "approved" Just looking for answers.
obvious DEA plant
I found this site whilst looking for something else but I must say after reading some of the problems that people are having which are not being dealt with appropriately I am disgusted with the current system that we have in place. Princessfawn I really do feel for you but please hang in their, Im sure your problem will be sorted soon.
I blew out my knee at age 25,in1985, and walked with a limp and been in pain since. I don't drink, never have smoked,take'n any illegal drugs, and other than my left knee problem, I have either take'n,less than prescribed or nothing at all. When my father pasted away, at church I kept passing out, sitting or standing, if I took with pain killers I acted and felt normal. People assume your a drug addict. I offer to take lie detectors, willing to give access to all records, and beg to be put into the hospital so doctors can see what my pain affects me. Instead over the past ten plus years I have had my under control six weeks!, the Doctor that got my pain under control, loss his license. I must have help! Any body interested in filing a lawsuit?
I've seen it happen – it doesn't help. Suddenly the sadist "gets it," and just as suddenly he' considered a "traitor who's gone over to the other side" and treated even worse than most pain patients. A military neurosurgeon in that position was screwed over so badly he finally killed himself.
"What ever happened to ETHICS? "
The DEA hunted them all down and sent them to prison..
Anyone know of a good pain specialist in the Sacramento, CA area who takes cash? I recently had to drop my insurance and now I am considered to have a pre-existing condition so no-one will insure me. My husband had a pain specialist after his accident in Chico, CA who charged $65 and did not take insurance. I am looking for something similar. Please?? Thank you!
completely given up on the medical system. went from 120 oxy 4 times a day for over 7 years to 30mg 4 times a day for 6 months than had to go to er. had to have a finger amputaed due to newly discovered bone cancer. they gave me pain meds for surgery so primary cut me loose as i broke pain contract because of drugs they gave me at the hospital. have seen 6 docs, none will treat me. spine leaks, failed back surgery, neuropathy both arms, legs, yada yada. tried all those neurotin, cymbalta (all of those.. either didnt work or side effects put me in the hospital) i am done with doctors. i rather keep what is left of my pride and get drugs from the street. the medical system is broken and i am done waiting for it to be fixed. my first exposure of the hardship of being in pain was when i tripped in the snow and fell on a curb hitting my upper back and fracturing it in 3 places. went to the er & they did nothing. my wife overheard them talking about how long i would wait before giving up because they where not going to help me. i left there and laid in bed 3 months until i could see my primary at the time how sent me for an mri. i had fractured my ack in 3 places and ruptured 2 discs. you break your back and go to the hospital for help and get mocked and turned away. typical thing these days. i had to go to 3 different docs just to have someone treat a bladder infection. one of the others simply mocked me and said a"oh, you must be having kidney failure, we better have you on diallisys, ha ha ha". only 1 in 20 doctors these days is worth a crap. the others are a waste of skin. doesnt matter how good your insurance is. btw, it took 4 visits to different docs to even look at my finger that was 4 times its normal size before one of them would treat me. x-rayed it and all the bones where gone. amputated it and lab tests showed cancer. now, nobody will touch me. i have given up on the medical system because it just does not exsist. 15 years of dealing with this is enuff for anyone. people, if you can fix it yourself do not bother going to suffer even more at the hands of these useless human beings. thats is how most of them see us, we should return the favor.
Thanks mate for the share
my mother and i have been going to the same doctor for 7 years for pain management, with no trouble. we have never gone in early, or done anything illegal, etc. this doctor is very careful with records, and has never been intmidated before, but yesterday, all that changed. she is cutting ALL patients that are on schedule II narcotics to schedule III's, and basically cutting our doses in half, and for the first time in years, she seems terrified. i don't know what is going on, but if she has been threatened, no one is talking, and what are we as patients supposed to do?
Suboxone is the new street drug, wise up doc's, u know it is…that's why you give three a day, no one needs that much in one day…..It just makes dealers even more money!! This all has to stop somewhere!!
Hello, I am a pain patient in the eastern Pa area and my insurance has just said "No more treatment" WOW!!!! This has left me between a rock and a hard place.My Pain Management Clinic canceled my appointment and won't let me pay for visits out of my pocket.I have searched and searched for a Dr and/or clinic that could and would work with me.I found them and now they(insurance) are ripping them away. My question is,Where do i find a good,caring doctor that will help me maintain a somewhat normal life in the Eastern Pa area,i.e. Johnstown,Altoona areas??? Someone please HELP!?!? I am only wanting to live my life as a productive person by working and being active in my community and not a lump on the log down and out from my injuries.Please help,PLEASE…. Thank You Very Much.
The real problem is there is WAY to much money in drugs and at this point I can't see that changing any time soon…..
im having the same problem..i have health insurance and i have spent close too 4 hours in the past week just trying to find a licensed outpatient suboxone dr..out of the 14 names they have given me not a one of them is a suboxone dr..im trying to avoid going to a cash dr..but just for the asking how the hell would i find one since im having no luck with my ins company. my shrink currently writes my suboxone and he just cut my script nearly in half in fear of the DEA..ugh..
Dr. Scott is a very compassionate man who cares deeply about his patients. I have the hope that many doctors Pain Management will stand behind Dr. Scott. He does not deserve what they are doing for Pain Management physicians him.So unite and not let another pain specialist put in jail simply for doing their job.
I think thats an excellent idea! I am in so much chronic pain and no healthcare professional seems to give a crap! This has brought up the thoughts of suicide, because it's just to draining to continue life like this! Nobody, Nobody should have to suffer like this! We have millions of alcholics, do they close the liquer store down because of this! Of course not! Thats tax dollars! This all comes down to money! They should be sued for pain and suffering!
Absolutley. We need to file against the DEA. I am fortunate after years of sufferring at pain clinics to have found a doctor who can supply adequate relief. i have been afraid to go to a pain clinic anymore for it seems that where i suffer. I am all for suing the DEA. until these people suffer themselves their acting ignorant. Let me know if need a petition signed.
I believe the 'fed' part. Certainly you speak with all the arrogance prosecutors bring to a field they have no training or even interest in – the real science of pharmacology and medicine. No, stupid; many people need "more than three a day." You know nothing about what you are spewing. I agree with you that political and police ignorance has to stop somewhere… but your ilk knows no shame nor boundaries. All you know is your dopey, scientifically wrong and discredited, "beliefs" you just can't wait to impose on the rest of us. You gulp treatment-police industrial complex propaganda, 'cause some journalist with maybe two years of college told you what you wanted to hear. Study up, or don't; open your eyes or don't; get cancer and find no one to treat you – that's likely you know… but I no longer care. Stay as uninformed and closed minded as you want to; you are playing the Ostrich, like it won't happen to you or someone you love. Good luck with that!
Look up "Phoenix Tears". Also Check out sodium bicarbonate as a cancer treatment. I can't vouch for either, but these I find with the most documentation and the most good reviews.
Yeah – the DEA's propaganda and their and the Dept. of inJustice's attacks on doctors not violating any laws and imprisoning them anyway have essentially destroyed the PM field in America. And the $ situation with Big Med and Big Pharma has destroyed the caring healer's ethic doctors once had. Now it's all about the money. Very few doctors take the Hippocratic Oath any longer.
Luck (to us all!) Ian
"we can blame those who had no buisness getting pain meds ie recreational users, those who sould of their meds"
Sorry, but NOT TRUE. They are scapegoats used by the gov't as the excuse for what they're doing. With 116 MILLION real chronic pain patients in the U.S. it'd be insane to destroy so many docs and sentence so many patients to death for a reason like that. They're not insane – not that way. Read this: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/docs/nutricide.pd…
We really are at war and are under attack in our meds, food, water, air, economy – you name it.
Ian
The VA did the same thing to me here in Oregon a few years ago: lied their asses off and blackmailed me into see a fake "Board Certified PM Specialist" who was an Internist with one year experience in an interventional PM clinic. He instantly destroyed the regimen that had allowed me near-normal function for 8 years, labeled me an addict and drug abuser, etc. This happened when my wife was dying of COPD and had just become bedridden with only me to care for her. My weight went from 210 at 6'2" tall to 143 lbs. He almost killed me, and did cause my wife to die much sooner than she had to. AND she and I almost followed up on the decision to commit suicide together. Just good luck stopped that. Now i can't use the VA for PM; the VISN20 for all NW VA hospitals has decreed that 160mg per day TOTAL of morphine or equivalent is the max dose the VA will fill – for ANY reason. The VA has joined the Drug Warriors, and they're killing off vets, old AND new.
Hey, Alex. Remember how the Constitution was just totally ignored, and every bit of law we tried that was based on it? The US is, as far as I can tell, functioning under Admiralty law, and the Constitution is NOT a part of it. Codex is being pushed harder and harder by the Republicans, too. 99,9% of the populace has no idea that Congress was dissolved after the Civil War, the United States Inc. was incorporated, Congress is an elected Board of Directors with the President the CEO, subject to the Owners – the Central Banking System. The 'elites' just don't want anyone wise to it in enough numbers to affect anything until they've consolidated their hold by completing the Depopulation Agenda that was begun by the Nazis in WWII (initiated by Rockefellers, who helped fund them starting with the loan for the invasion of Poland. Sounds like absolutely nutso conspiracy theory doesn't it? Take a look at ANY leftover paperwork from the Census. Look to the upper right area of the "United States" printed on top – there's a registered trademark symbol! We humans are part of the corporate assets, and we can be sold off if they so choose – or "culled". Again, take a look at this: http://www.regent.edu/acad/schedu/uselesseaters/ and here: http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=322
It all adds up, Alex. This is the exact same eugenics program the Nazis were running. Hope all is well with you and yours! Be in touch now and then! Ian
Just some reasons and nevermind the Codex/takeover/etc stuff: the DEA was about to loose a LOT of funding about the same time that pain was declared "the fifth vital sign" and correct pain treatment was encouraged. Congress decided they were losing the Drug War and were about to cut funding when suddenly the DEA found ALL THOSE PILL MILLS! They can fake evidence, the DOJ backs them, and they're able to steal the doctor's property and accounts (making sure s/he can't afford a good lawyer) via civil forfeiture laws. The DEA gets "good" publicity – if the people reading these things are the brain-dead public – and promotions and they don't have to go after REAL criminals who shoot back. The DOJ gets flashy (they make sure of it) cases and justify their existence and high pay, Right-Wing judges get good publicity for a resume when they want to go into politics. The DEA also uses CPPs as stalking horses to lead them to more pain-treating docs, and the patients who get caught buying from the Street provide $44,000 or more a year in Federal funding for Private Prisons. and on and on it goes. They've busted around 1,000 docs and sent them to prison by now I'd guess.
WE HAVE NO RIGHTS
Ian
This is to angrypharmtech; it won't allow me to post to him directly -
If your pain patients are skipping and jumping I'll grant you they may be faking. Some do. For the rest though, try reading the actual Medical Standard of Care for Chronic Pain treatment! I've been screwed over by more know-it-all jackass pharm techs and real pharmacists like you..! I've 28 goddamn YEARS of pain, and I have all the secondary damage from it, and I've had 6 back operations. I STILL have problems with people who are sure I'm lying and nevermind the test and other records – decades of them that all agree I have tremendous (they say "massive") and damned well OUGHT to be in pain! I was a rock climber, a lifelong martial artist,was USN Hospital Corps, worked ambulance ten years and was a paramedic (neonate tech), played tennis, hiked, camped and a LOT of other stuff. I was no "druggie," I was an athlete, an electronic and mechanical design drafter in aerospace… I was ACTIVE. I'm still treated like an addict and liar, nevermind that the people who know me ALWAYS use the words "honor" and "honesty" when they talk about me. And the other things you were talking about were ALL save that one thing, signs of "pseudoaddiction" which is invariably a sign of UNDER TREATMENT of pain! The fakes are a tiny portion of the total; there are an estimated 116 MILLION CPPs out here with little or NO treatment.
I wonder how many suicides you have to your "credit"? Jerk.
Ian
Dink, the authorities DON'T CARE that you're hurting! They want to use you and the meds a doc prescribes for you to distort the truth and bust HIM! If you're not going to the street so they can find a dealer through you – or another pain treating doc to bust – then you can DIE for all they care. As for the docs, yeah, they care, some do at least – but they're not going to sacrifice themselves and the rest of their own lives to give you pain meds no matter HOW much you need them because they KNOW they'll get busted no matter HOW careful they are. That's it in a nutshell.
Ian
First let me say I am a long time recovering drug addict.I was an ace at playing doctors and I am not proud! I put them at risk! There are I'm sure drug dealing doctors but doctors are not to blame it is the people who con them.I said all that to say this it takes a con to catch a con. Why not start at the source the SEEKERS. I know there are people in pain and most doctors have x-rays and MRI's as proof. Has anyone thought about consulting with a recovering addict.Thats not to say doctors can not notice seekers but like me there are some out there that are really good at what they do.The ironic thing is now I have a lot o chronic pain and can handle life without getting high.
look this is all bs.I am in serious pain and am not able to even sit and type on the computer.so sorry tis will be brief but does anyone no any pain management docs in ky,oh, or wv
PAIN RELIEF IS A HUMAN RIGHT…. My hubby is alot like you Scott, he takes massive amounts to try and cover up his chronic back pain, and now the Doctor is taking away his Ordine and his right to get some sleep; I'm too scared to show him this page, espically when he knows he could have been a race driver. I have no worries about giving him a Panadol if it helps. It is not right!!! I've already lost one husband, why make us both suffer with more heartache and pain; I can see it in his face, even the girls at the office, can't see that!!! And to think he started off, to defend his own country in the Forces and how they've treated him, rather be in America.
Dr. DeLuca, What is your advice for someone desperatly needing some pain medication as needed, but cannot get it? I have endometriosis and horrid pain; with bowel movements especially. I've had a colonoscopy (clear) and Lupron injection so all my doctor thinks that I need it an anti-inflammitory. It is NOT helping! I'm not even asking for an everyday thing here and I am grabbing for straws trying to find someone to help me! Nobody wants to presribe something at the fear of "what if you hurt your ankle later and you are immune to that medication". Help!
Thank You Monica
It is ridiculous how the medical community has come! I was is such Bad pain I was balled up like a baby! I didn’t want to go to Er scared nothing would be done! I was 100% up front about All known health issues and meds. After a ct and a pain shot which helped for @10 mins..I was sobbing and shaking due to pain! 3 hrs later I told my nurse that something was wrong and please get md. 45 mins later he came in and said I was fine ct “normal”. I said page Gi, he said he cldnt! I said I Work for a hospital and we do it! He refused! I begged for test to find out what was going on, Nope I must be addict!! I never felt so Helpless! After 6 weeks of Horrific pain and endless test, I went to a surgeon who took 2 mins to pull the ct from Er! Everyone else just looked that he said it was normal..no need to See it!! My appendix full of stones, diverticulitis And a gall bladder that folded in half! No crap I hurt!:/ I hv Ehlers Danlo Syndrome which causes joint dislocations and connective tissue problems, gi issues among other things! The sad thing is he had never heard of it so didn’t think it existed! So me taking a few pains pills during the day when my joints dislocate should merit not treating new complications! So now I’m worrying about pain control after surgery! :/
I think the class action suit of American's who suffer from Chronic pain against the DEA is a good idea. Wonder if there are any attorney's interested in pursuing such a case. I am certain you would have millions of American's want to get in on that who suffer from chronic pain and who have suffered at the persecution of the DEA and doctors who are scared to treat individuals with real chronic pain issues.
DEA SUCKS
I think everyone needs to get together and form an organization and began a class action lawsuit against the DEA – They are controll freaks and I would not put anything pass them. They are probably on the meds themselve and looking to score. I am tired of hearing about the DEA they are not the DR. They should not have any rights to close offices down. To put a Dr. in jail in inhuman for trying to help people that suffer daily. This is out of control and we all keep letting them do this to us as patients and dr.'s. The DEA are F@#$%^&** loosers. We all have legit reasons. the person that took too many or drank booze sham on them. Why blame the docs if people are doing the wrong thing. So when we buy a car and drink and drive should they take my car away? It is ok for the DEA to drink and drive every night when they go for dinner with family the whole family is in the car and parents are tanked oooooooo that is ok… They are not supposed to drink and drive, does that mean we should take the car away from them or will they show the badge???
DEA SUCKS
We are tax payers and more than that we are paying a HIGH price for health insurance so let us get our meds that help us ALL LIVE. If a DEA agent got hurt he or she would need to live on pain meds then it is ok then. They suck and I am ready to go out of state to get a real dr. that is not scared and has balls to fight the DEA… Let them walk in our shoes for 1 month see how it feels. As long as there is proof there is a problem please tell me what si the problem. Why have they made this stuff available to us if there is a problem. Who are they to say the doc is given too much some people need a lot to function. They are acting as we are breaking the law. Well not everyone sells the pills, I have a job and make a lot of cash, dont need to sell pills. I own 2 houses and 3 cars all bought with money I made from my job. Not from selling pills my bank book shows where the money comes from my direct deposit…
Where are the lawyers with the balls, we all should file a class action lawsuit against the DEA, local and state agencies who are responsible for pain and suffering of pain management patients who were forced out of treatment because their overzealous, ridiculous witch hunt on doctors and us patients.
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or try dartmouth in lebanon NH, a lot of vermonters go there and people from mass etc, they are also really good, if i didn't have such a good pain management dr in burlington at fletcher allen then i would have driven there for sure………good luck,,,,, stay on the phone like crazy until you find someone………….
I don't know what to do! Two years ago I got hurt at work. I was already on pain meds. when it happened but before I took those measures I tried a chiropracter bought orthotics for my shoes really tried everything bt it just kept getting worse. My primary feels that I might have a tore disk it is herniated but they say not enough to cause me the problems that I am having. I had terrible spasams in my legs and I ALWAYS feel like I am sitting on rocks. My hips ever since they performed internal massage on me hurt so bad and makes it impossible to sleep. I have degerative disk disease and a slip in my tailbone from a fall years ago. The state Dr. has ageed that I am chronic but is aganist sugery. I have had 4 epiderals, a nerve ablasion ,internal massage,and of course PT. In Jan. I was doing water traction ad it had me feeling worse than ever. I was so desperate to get some relief that I asked my Dr. about this Restore place that he had sold to me as an intensive PT program and at the same time take me off the meds. and see where I am at. Now 4 months later I am in incredible pain although the spasms had calmed down (before restore) I am left in a ton of pain.
I didn't get the PT. that was told to me I would get. It almost seemed like a rehab. My Dr. never acted as though he thought I had a problem with my meds.so I had total faith that if this didn't work that we would put me back on meds until we can figure out what to do. Well it's not happening I was told that I ned to give the restore Dr. another chance or I will look like I am Dr. shopping. I through this whole thing have had the same Dr.s. I don't have faith in this Dr. and do not want to see him anymore. My primary has given me 20 vicodine for three weeks. So basically I am left to suffer. I am not the only one there is a guy who did this program with me who among many other injuries ha a broken back in three places and we share the ame primary who he has described to him that he hurts so bad that it feels like he is being chokedfrom the inside and they wont give him anything.The whole Dr. shopping thing scares me but i can't be left like this anymore. The State Dr. has said that I can never return to my same type of work and says that a life without pain is very unlikely. I just don't know what to do. PLZ help
I was in a head on collision and broke my back in 3 spots, my leg in 3 spots, my shoulder, ribs and scapula. That was in 96 and i lost my health insurance for awhile so i was off everything and not very happy. Now ten years later im in extreme pain and my previous pain doctor retired. Now in pain clinics they offer anti depressants i think because they refuse to help you and anti seizure meds. NOTHING ELSE! I buy tylenol 3 off the internet in hopes that their real and take 2 in the afternoon and 2 when i go to bed. They seem to help me get to sleep and i get 6 hrs sleep with and 3 without. Its hopeless. Im in my own torture chamber! Its the only thing ive ever said to be hopeless.
I was labeled with drug seeking behavior cause I was in danger of losing my job because I could not sleep and since I have multi-drug sensitivities, can't take just anything. Read my blog to hear my horror story. Something needs to be done to combat this stupidity. http://theprickofthepen.blogspot.com/2011/10/nigh…
I suffer everyday with chronic back pain and migraine headaches A few years ago I could go to A doctor and get pain medication and manage the pain go to work and have A normal life now you go to A doctor and get charged over A $100 and no pain releif just bullshit excuses about new regulations every doctor hands are tied and we have to suffer its hell tou cant even get A painpill or and what do you have to do buy drugs illeagally sufffer everyday at this rate they should legalize suicide we have these drugs to improve our quality of life but the goverment has to step in and and label us drug addicts for trying to do the right thing and live our life with less chronic pain but yet I can buy enough alcohol and tobacco to kill off A whole nation Did,nt they invent pain medication to relieve pain now you cant even get legal pain medication what the hells going on I m,tired of sufferig mankind would not let animals suffer as much as I do now we would medicate it or put it out of its misery we need to speak up and stop all this suffering if you cant even get basic pain releif your quality of life goes staight to hell but you can always drink youself to death americas health care sucks .Why must we alll suffer because some morons take to much or sell their scripts I dont even feel lie we live in the u.s.a anymore somedays I dont even get out of bed anymore because i,m in so much pain then for added extra fun depresion kicks in keep the damn goverment out of private health care God help us chronic pain is torture at least when i,m dead Iwont be in pain anymore
Hi I just came across your website while doing some research. I am really absolutely terrified at this time and need ALL the help I can get. Here’s what’s going on…. I was heavily addicted to oxycontin for about 1 year. I was abusing the medication (which my boyfriend at the time was getting from a doctor in town). I decided I wanted off of it and tried w/d on my own, needless to say it nearly killed me, so I started taking oxycontin again. I found a doctor who could write Subutex. I did not know anything about this medication at the time. I was told it would w/d me from the oxycontin and I. wouldn’t be sick, so I decided I’m gonna do this. Well I’ve been on Subutex for 4 years now and I want off the Subutex. Come to find out as I just stopped taking it that its worse of a w/d then the oxycontin. I’m very upset that I’m now addicted to this medicine that is NOW said to be 30X’s more addicting then morphine. Why would a Dr put a drug addict on a medication that is more addicting then what I was originally abusing. I do not abuse the Subutex, actually I take less then what he prescribes me. About 2 years into taking the Subutex I ran out and did feel w/d’s so I found some pain pills and took them until my appointment (which was only a few days away). When I told my Dr that I ran out and felt w/d’s he said it was ONLY in my head and that this medication is NOT addictive. I admitted to him that I took pain pills cause the w/d, but he made no big deal about it and said it was all in my head. Now I guess I was just another pawn in his $$ making deal, because most of what I’ve researched said people only stay on subutex/suboxen for a month or 2. He advised me to stay on it for 2 plus years so my mind wouldn’t want to go back to pain pills (which I have NO desire at all to do). I feel like I was used for $$. I was a very easy patient who would come to my appt, pay the $110. out of pocket (since he doesn’t take insurance) and get my rxs and be on my way out in 5 min. Needless to say he started doing phone appts and for $95. I. could simply call on the set date & time and tell him everything was going the same and he’d call in my rxs. 1 time in 4 years he checked my blood pressure, height, weight and I was pregnant last year and still taking them while pregnant & never received any additional check ups or monitoring. The point to my story is that I want off the subutex. I want to be free off ALL medications that’s why I decided to start subutex. Any advise for getting off the subutex without having horrible w/d would be appreciated.also, is it possible to sue my Dr over this whole situation, since I was told it was non-addictive the whole 4 years? Oh plus he has only seen me 4 times in his office in the last year. Which I recently heard that when doctors prescribe certain meds like these they are required to see the patient in their office every month, which Im not sure if its true or not but it would definitely make sense. PLEASE IM BEGGING ANYONE WHO COULD OFFER ME ANY HELP WOULF BE APPRECIATED GREATLY!!
Thanks- Samantha
Obviously, alex
Do you know how difficult it is to educate LE on basic PM principles???
Or have your Constitutional rights egregiously violated–your car and person unreasonably searched and seized; etc.?
I had to use my efforts for the CA DMV, because they attacked "pain management" for CPP's but allowed opioid junkies the privilege to drive while regularly taking CSII meds in a replacement narcotics treatment program You may rest assured I will NEVER give up the a fight we're committed to. Thanks, alex, for the support,
Steve
what generally happens is you atre fucked
alex, what's this "87" and "86" shit? I have suffered more horribly than I ever thought my body could produce. If I can't eat, drink, breathe or maintain an appetite and feel my personality has all the accoutrements of a grey wall-is this the life I'm fighting for??? I just don't understand it. For TEN MONTHS, absolutely NO SLEEP (no kidding here)> just like a walking cadaver. Just getting dressed was an ordeal. And seeing other people? why? with the way I feel? I just got through explaining to my "monitor" that I have a 33-yr-old irreversible neuro-degenerative disease. he's like, "what? I didn't know that" Can I get these people out of my life who are turning me into zombie?? And why am I the new poster person for the pain crisis?? Alex, I can't do this alone. Shit aside, yeah, I'm chemically savvy to know the effects of heavby metals on the brain (CA's Proposition 65 and mandatory MSDS reading). And people fucking with my healthcare has to stop. I'm no criminal. and if I were, I should be informed… right???
Sarah….. My doctor also had his license suspended several times (I attended his last hearing with my ex….ended up being suspended for 3 years). Then he was put in the federal prison for a 50 year sentence (thank goodness he was able to get out after a few years on appeal).My doctor helped hundreds and hundreds of sufferers in pain, including myself. Now he is no longer in practice. I know of at least one who committed suicide as they were not able to find a doctor.
I ended up at a major hospital's chronic pain center for 3 years and then was told that the center was closing and my doctor was going back into research. All of this turned out to be a lie. 3000 patients were thrown out due to drug addicts' fooling my pain clinic doctor and his prescriptions were found in a downtown city. I asked if I could see another doctor at this clinic and was told it was closing. It never did close and is still open. I can only assume that all of these patients were told the same thing and due to these prescriptions being misused, we were all treated like criminals without a hearing or trial!
Siobhan Reynolds and PRN has tried such civil suits twice, once in Kansas and once in Washington state. Squashed each time without ever getting close to trial.
I am Dr. Scott's lawyer for the upcoming trial in January 2012. Please feel free to contact me if you are earnest in your desire to help him. Thanx.
614.228.6283 or Kevin@KPByersLaw.com
I am Dr. Scott's lawyer for the upcoming trial in January 2012. Please feel free to contact me if you are earnest in your desire to help him. Thanx.
kim
yep. these pain clinics are under alot of stress to maintain pain free patients and follow the law, bottom line, if u take pain meds, ur gunna be addicted to them, period straight up, thats the bottom line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 so pain management plays god with our bodies, and its only a matter of time before they kick u out. its coming, just wait and c/
As a persecuted physician for doing pain management in southwest Virginia, I can sympathize with the patients that are seeking compassionate doctors. I am one, but for the second time, I can't practice medicine due to the collusion between the DEA, US Attorney's office and Virginia Board of Medicine. The government isn't going to make changes on their own. The people have to make that happen. First, people have to understand that the pills do not cause addiction. Addiction comes from conditions of living. Secondly, we must get the DEA removed from the government. They have done more to create drug addiction than any other organization in this country, including the drug lords.
When are we going to stop all of this talk and do something about it?Im sure the pharma companies are willing to back the dr and the patients.For sixteen years i have had to deal with all of this and finally found a dr willing to listen and help me.After 16 years 3 years ago i went from 40% pain free to almost 100% and what hyappens the owner and dr are arrested for running what the fbi and dea call a pill mill.Privacy laws are also not followed by the athorities because to get my med records they need a sup to get them.They lawfully must have one for each person,but what do they do, they get all records of everyone illegally.I have been through enough to know just about all one needs to and i want the backing of all pain drs as well as the pharma companies to call me or email me and let us all go to congress with this and i want to be allowed to speak on those that suffer from real chronic pain history.Yes of course there will always be those that abuse the system getting pills when they do it for money or rec,but for those of us that suffer its wrong and it must stop NOW.Im asking the pharma companies and all pain doctors to back me and lets finally put and end to this.
I had much more to say,but my comment was way to long,wish i had known that before typing for hours,anyway my email address is haroldwillett@gmail.com and im asking for all the pharm companies and doctors to back me and to email me about this so that i can getb this before congress and i can i have the pull needed,but i need them to do so.Lets get it done and stop talking about it and by the way im very serious about all i have said.I want to be the voice and with the help i have ask for i can and i will,from national news to the white house i have the know how.This is the gift i want to give the world,so please help me.Take the time to email me and we will get this done and the bulls will be put back into there cages.
I made a few comments hoping they go up, but to any doctor having to go to court im willing to be a witness for any and all that have not broken the law but have done what they felt was the right thing to do in giving the patients meds.Im sure if your lawyers will contact me they will be very shocked to hear what i have to say after 15 years of this hell and will be a witness that just might change our laws to help those of us whom need the doctors help.It cant hurt to make a call right?It just might be the very best call youve ever made so contact me if intrested at haroldwillett@gamil.com.Take me serious please.That one phone call may have changed life for millions,you never know until you make it.
To the ones approving these comments im so very serious about what im saying and i want to be the major force in this fight and i can be without a doubt,so please contact me and let me know all i can do to get my words out and when my comments are approved.Thanks and God bless 2012 to be and impact for so many.
First i understand you and wish you the best and you and i know God can and will take care of us.If it was me id tell the dr as little as possible about my life history and just explain my pain even a few white lies work and God understand those to trust me he does.Also dress a christ or a muslim depending on the dr if you know what i mean,sad to say it does work.Last but not least it doesnt matter if the dr is and evil person because God will always use them all to get you the help you neede and then pay them back at a later date or maybe use you to get them staright.Praying for you and trust me this is the best way,bless you all.
Dear Mr. Willet,
Apologies, but I am not able to do more than barely maintain the website as an archival resource at this point. PRN was forced out of existence and closed in December. Then, over the holidays, Siobhan Reynolds and Kevin Byers (who had very recently left Comments) died in a small plane crash. I am devastated.
I allow comments to give people a place to vent and connect, but this is in no sense a "Forum" of any sort. For now, this site is an archival resource. This site contains a lot of the beautiful mind that was Siobhan. She was brilliant; she entirely understood the drug war and pain crisis, and she had a plan. She was in no way "done" or "retired" from her pain advocacy. We are all diminished by this loss.
I have been majorly distracted by life events over the holidays; I will try and review/approve comments on a weekly (or better) basis, going forward.
Sincerely,
..alex… Alex DeLuca, M.D., MPH
Hey members anyone with pain issues especially in Florida give the local member Donna Ratliff an E mail..She runs Florida State Leader Of The American Pain Foundation and has a great group on Facebook her e mail is * goldenmain517@gmail.com Anyone with real pain issues pls feel free to e mail her..Thanx
What is the DEA so concerned about? 50 million? How much money have they wantonly wasted on me, while FAILING to spend a few dollars on my stabilized medications?
a few dollars vs. MILLIONS of taxpayers dollars showing NO results
The DEA is a gross waster of taxpayer money
typical wasteful federal spending
What is this "addicted" label LE throws around so loosely? ANY chronic patients prescribed opioids over an extended period will become dependent. The addiction qualifier comes into play when a dependent person starts displaying aberrant behavior and continues despite harms.
*doesn't apply to my case, with the shit LE feeds me.
Dear Alex,
What I find so fundamentally flawed is browsing through papers finding many physicians promoting their Medical Marijuana (CS I) "evaluations" (really just a "say yes to the following…"), while proven CS II pain medications get this Drug Trafficking – BS label or LE paints them as "feel good" pills.
The opioid pain meds don't make me feel good, just normal and functional.
A lot more than the sick state they have me in without anything.
Steve
Dear Mike,
Never say "only"
It's a red flag.
Steve
No, it doesn't
And I think it's abominable coming from the "model PM patient" to having to take completely ineffective OTC crap to make me sicker.
Steve